Epistles of Thomas

May 11, 2008

Christadelphian Magazine

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I was installing a Logos Bible Software resource tonight and was surprised to see that Logos was offering me a new resource association “Christadelphian Magazine Resource Association.” Nothing turned up on the Logos website about Christadelphian Magazine but a quick Google search confirmed that indeed their magazine is available in Logos format. It did turn up a Bible study essay by a Christadelphian so obviously they do use Logos software.
http://www.thechristadelphian.com/acatalog/TheChristadelphian.html:
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The Christadelphian Magazine 1864-2000, on CD-ROM

All issues of the magazine, from the time it was titled The Ambassador of the Coming Age (1864-1869), and all issues of the Christadelphian (1869-2000) are included. These can be accessed by a very powerful commercial search program, and they are compatible with the material available on the Christadelphian Works volume 2 CD-ROM. Periodic updates will be made available.

Price: £58.75 (Including VAT at 17.5%)

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I imagine this collection would provide a treasure trove of information about this heretical group (They deny the Trinity, both Jesus’ eternal existence and the personhood of Holy Spirit, among other things). I suspect that this wasn’t their intent though. On a related note, it would also be helpful to have access to all of the JW magazine and book resources when talking with them so perhaps Logos should come out with a Watchtower and Awake! magazine collection along with such classics as Should You Believe in the Trinity? Perhaps the Watchtower would pay to send us new issues every week ;-). I suspect though that JW’s would rather keep their historical documents “out of sight, out of mind.”

There has been debate before about Logos providing heretical and non-Christian literature in their digital library with some advocating that it should be flagged. Of course Logos cannot decide which literature to flag and which to not flag. I suspect that the Christadelphians would not be willing to make their literature available in Logos format if it was so flagged. What do you think? Should Logos stick to producing mainstream Christian materials or produce anything and everything and leave it up to their customers to discern what is heretical and should be censored and/or not purchased?

Thomas

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6 Comments »

  1. At issue here is what Logos is claiming to be. Is it a platform for the reading of literature (primarly Biblical?) If it is, then using it for things like the Christadelphian is perfectly sound (though Logos should probably think carefully if they are distributing them). My understanding of the thing you link to, is that the Christadelphian is selling content using the Libronix Digital Library System (which is what it is there for). I can’t see anything wrong with that.

    Comment by Jonathan Morgan — May 13, 2008 @ 4:41 | Reply

  2. I agree that the issue is whether or not Logos is providing a platform for the reading of literature or whether they are responsible to provide quality biblically based materials. You can read their vision statement and decide whether this qualifies: http://www.logos.com/about/mission. In the past, users raised notes of caution when the Qur’an was produced. Obviously the Qur’an is the holy book of another religion and this should be clear to users. With the Christadelphians the material is equally antithetical to the claims of Christ but has been written by people claiming to be Christians and to have a better understanding of the same Bible we all read. I do not think their magazine “serves the church.” I would also object on the grounds that it provides Christadelphians with a aura of legitimacy. They can point to the fact that the “leading” Bible software company has produced their magazine for electronic distribution. I haven’t decided that Logos is wrong to do this and I was hoping for some feedback from other Logos users on the news group but so far no one has said anything.

    Comment by true54blue — May 14, 2008 @ 20:12 | Reply

  3. I’m still questioning your basic assumption, that Logos is distributing the Christadelphian magazine at all. It is being sold on the Christadelphian website, as far as I can tell. Unless you can demonstrate that Logos is distributing it in some way, it has nothing whatever to do with Logos. It would be like making Adobe responsible for PDFs someone else was distributing, or Microsoft responsible for the Word documents that are distributed.

    Comment by Jonathan Morgan — July 6, 2009 @ 7:34 | Reply

    • Jonathan, the Logos Libronix library system is a closed format. No one can make their own Libronix books for sale without entering into a contract with Logos for their creation and distribution. Anyone can make a pdf document and distribute it. No one can sell books in Libronix format without permission from Logos. All book activations are done through Logos so no one can read a Libronix book that they purchase without first activating it with Logos. There is a fundamental difference between Libronix and Adobe. I hope this explains why I take the position I do.

      Comment by Thomas — July 6, 2009 @ 11:06 | Reply

      • Now I understand what you are getting at. That alters things a little. My opinion would still be that if it is about the Bible then it is reasonable for Logos to permit it (though not necessarily to endorse it by distributing it on their own website). I do not see that allowing an organisation to sell their works on their own website is endorsing it in any way, whether or not Logos technically have to prepare it and provide an unlock key, but I do now understand your position.

        Comment by Jonathan Morgan — July 6, 2009 @ 20:45

  4. I’m a Christadelphian, and we have no problem with the fact that anyone can purchase that product directly from our own websites and read it to their heart’s content. We’re fully aware that we’re considered heretical by most mainstream groups, and we’re not afraid of over 100 years of our literature being freely available for anyone to read. We do not tout the fact that Logos published our magazine for us; we paid them to do it, as a secular financial transaction, and we gain no credit or credibility for them having simply carried out a private contract.

    They do not advertise our magazine on their site at all (search for it, and you won’t find it), and we understand completely that one of the reasons for this is the fact that we stand well outside what they consider to be Christian orthodoxy. We believe they’re being perfectly true to their religious convictions, and we respect them for it.

    Comment by Jonathan Burke — September 3, 2013 @ 7:26 | Reply


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